Martin–Frame Debate on TANG vs. TAG

The following was an impromptu exchange that took place in 1996 between philosophers Michael L. Martin (atheist) and John M. Frame (Christian) regarding an argument formulated by Martin that science, logic, and objective ethics presuppose the non-existence of God. Martin called this a Transcendental Argument for the Non-existence of God (TANG), which was effectively a caricature of the Transcendental Argument for the Existence of God (TAG).

Michael L. Martin (1932–2015)				John M. Frame (1939–Present)
Wikipedia				Wikipedia
The Secular Web (bio)				John Frame & Vern Poythress

First round

• Michael Martin, “The Transcendental Argument for the Non-existence of God” (off site).
• John Frame, “A Brief Response to Michael Martin’s Transcendental Argument for the Non-existence of God.”

Second round

• Martin, “A Response to John Frame’s Rebuttal of the Transcendental Argument for the Non-existence of God” (off site).
• Frame, “A Second Response to Martin.”

Third round

• Martin, “Response to Frame’s Second Response” (off site).
• Frame, “A Third Response to Martin.”

Fourth round

• Martin, “Response to Frame’s Third Response” (off site).
• Frame, “Frame’s Final Response.”

Final remarks

• Martin, “Final Response to Frame” (off site).
• Both parties agreed that Martin would have the last word.